Update: I didn’t notice any benefits from discontinuing fish oil, and I feel better on my regular supplemental dose (about 3g/day). My latest thinking is that fish oil may calm down an overactivated immune system via increasing IL-10, and that this may be helpful not only for asthma but for any number of conditions where tissues can get “stuck” in an inflammatory state.
Fish oil has been good to me. It was the first supplement that I noticed reduced my asthma symptoms, over fifteen years ago. Along with dietary changes, supplemental vitamin D, and evening primrose oil, I used 2-4 grams of fish oil per day, and for the most part stayed asthma free.
Eventually, for whatever reasons, my asthma went away. Occasionally I still notice a small amount of lung tightness, but these days I can breathe easily even if I don’t follow a strict diet or take inflammation-suppressing supplements. Maybe my immune system changed, or maybe my lung microbiota changed. Whatever the reasons, I’m grateful. Constant lung tightness caused by inflammation really sucked, and inhaled corticosteroids messed with my moods so much that I couldn’t use them (I felt suicidal).
Recently I stopped taking fish oil, as I suspected it might be aggravating my gastritis symptoms. I’ve recovered very slowly from painful stomach inflammation initially triggered by a stomach bug over eighteen months ago. I still have minor intermittent symptoms (sensations of heat or coolness), but I also have days where I feel completely normal, and I can drink moderate amounts of wine and coffee, as well as eat spicy food, citrus fruits, and other potential gastritis triggers without any digestive issues or increased pain. One of the things that was still triggering flares, I realized very recently, was supplemental fish oil.
My diagnosis (via endoscopy) was reactive chemical gastropathy, the kind generally caused by NSAID, COX enzyme-inhibiting medications like ibuprofen. I was relieved by this diagnosis (no ulcers, cancer, or precancerous changes) but also confused, since I’d used NSAIDs very infrequently, and not at all since having stomach pain. Even after this diagnosis I continued to suspect that my gut biome was out of whack, even though I tested negative for H. pylori (via blood test and endoscopic biopsy), and was free of symptoms typically associated with dysbiosis (such as nausea, bloating, burping, poor digestion, excessive gas, low stomach acid, etc.). After a few months of recovery my only remaining symptoms were heat, burning, or pain around my ribcage or back (I did have other digestive symptoms initially, and also the whole time I was using PPIs, but a few months after I weaned off acid blockers my digestion pretty much returned to normal).
I recently watched a Chris Masterjohn video that shed some light on the issue.
Around 5:40 Masterjohn points out that ingesting high levels of EPA (one of the fatty acids found in fish oil, along with DHA) can have the same effects as taking anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs).
That statement hit me like a ton of bricks. No wonder I’d been recovering so slowly!
Large amounts of supplemental fish oil, like NSAIDs, inhibit COX enzyme activity. The COX enzymes are responsible for transforming dietary fatty acids into various prostaglandins, some of which (PGE2) protect the stomach in various ways (decreasing gastric acid output, increasing bicarbonate to neutralize acid in the duodenum, etc.). Some anti-ulcer drugs, such as misoprostol, work by directly emulating specific prostaglandins.
In addition to fish oil, many herbs and medicinal plants also inhibit the COX-2 enzyme, including turmeric, resveratrol, pycnogenol, ginkgo, and ginger (here’s a long list of COX-2 inhibitors on selfhacked.com). While moderate COX-2 inhibition is helpful for reducing joint pain and preventing cancer, recent research indicates that COX-2 (as well as COX-1) is essential for “maintenance of mucosal integrity and ulcer healing.”
I suspect that my asthma-suppressing protocol of anti-inflammatory foods and supplements (fish oil, turmeric, boswellia, etc.), along with stress, may have weakened my stomach lining over time, eventually resulting in increased vulnerability to stomach bugs, alcohol, caffeine, etc. Early on, when I was first having stomach pain, I mentioned to my GP that I was taking both fish oil and turmeric. She recommended that I continue both (specifically because of their anti-inflammatory properties). But it turns out that stomach inflammation can’t be treated the same as joint or muscle inflammation. Aspirin and ibuprofen (like fish oil and turmeric) are anti-inflammatory, but they also can cause gastritis and/or peptic ulcers. My GP may have assumed that fish oil and turmeric were okay because they don’t suppress the COX-1 enzyme, only COX-2. Except that’s not true; fish oil suppresses both COX-1 and COX-2. And as referenced above, COX-2 is also necessary for gastric protection and recovery. Fish oil is fairly similar to aspirin in its effects: it thins the blood and it inhibits COX. And, like aspirin, high or frequent doses can tear up your stomach.
This is not to say fish oil, turmeric, ginger, etc. can’t be gastroprotective. Fish oil can suppress H. pylori. Ginger suppresses gastric acid secretion and also inhibits h. pylori, as does turmeric. My guess is that moderate culinary use of both ginger and turmeric probably does more good than harm, even for people with dodgy stomach linings, but using either plant in concentrated pill/supplement/extract form may over-suppress COX-2, potentially aggravating gastric problems.
Ultimately, when using a supplement (or even deciding whether to include a food in your diet, or not) you have to go with how it makes you feel. Scientific research and traditional healing practices might point you in the right direction, but different studies can produce conflicting results. For example, there are compounds in aloe vera (often used to treat gastritis) that both stimulate and inhibit prostaglandin synthesis. Some drugs and medicinal plants might provide short-term relief but slow down long-term healing. In other cases relieving pain (via acid suppression, stomach coating agents, or increased prostaglandin synthesis) might indicate or coincide with actual healing (not just mask symptoms).
Fatty Acids and Prostaglandin Pathways
Over a year ago I came across some research that indicated higher intakes of linoleic acid may increase PGE2 secretion, reduce gastric acid, and protect the stomach. For awhile I tried eating more walnuts and sunflower seeds (both high in linoleic acid), but it didn’t seem to help much. In animal studies, arachidonic acid (which is a direct precursor of PGE2) had a greater gastroprotective effect than linoleic acid.
The relationship between fatty acids and prostaglandin production is complex, as indicated by this chart:Arachidonic acid is found in egg yolks, liver, chicken, and other animal products, or can be manufactured by the body from linoleic acid, given the right nutritional factors and enzymes. PGE2, which protects the stomach, is made from arachidonic acid, via cyclo-oxygenase (COX). This chart labels series 2 prostaglandins as “unfavorable,” but in terms of stomach lining integrity, the opposite is true in most cases (adequate PGE2 is required for mucosal integrity).
In terms of balancing omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids, it’s probable I’ve gone too far in the omega-3 direction. Going forward I’ll continue to eat fatty fish such as salmon and sardines, but I’ll stop taking fish oil and cod liver oil, and I’ll eat more foods that contain arachidonic acid, such as whole eggs, liver, and chicken.
I’ll probably continue taking evening primrose oil which contains GLA. This can be synthesized into DGLA (via the elongase enzyme) and then into PGE1 (again, via COX). PGE1 is a beneficial prostaglandin in terms of preventing asthma, reducing blood pressure, etc.
Fatty acids and prostaglandins are only part of how the stomach protects itself. Animal studies indicate that the stomach can become tolerant to NSAID use (probably via increased blood flow), even with near complete prostaglandin suppression. But I do think it’s likely that taking supplemental fish oil and anti-inflammatory herbs has slowed down my healing process, and maybe contributed to my stomach problems in the first place.
There are also foods that upregulate COX-2 in the stomach lining, which can accelerate gastric healing (including ulcers). Ellagic acid, found primarily in strawberries and walnuts, but also in other berries, grapes, and pomegranates, has this effect. A metabolite of ellagic acid, urolithin A, is also protective against IBD.
A “Good” Diet is a Moving Target
It’s a good feeling when you have a health program “dialed in.” You’re feeling good and you know, more or less, what you need to do to keep feeling good, in terms of diet, supplements, exercise, sleep, social life, life purpose, etc.
But the one constant in life is change. What worked for me for years was a high-fat, low-carb, mostly-Paleo diet, combined with vitamin D and fish oil supplementation. This worked great for getting rid of lung inflammation, but in the long term it may have weakened my stomach lining.
So now I’m adjusting, increasing complex carbs and reducing fats, increasing cooked vegetables (especially broccoli and greens), reducing vitamin D (which, at high doses, can raise serum calcium levels and increase gastric acid secretion), cutting out the fish oil, and moderately increasing my intake of arachidonic acid from food sources. I’m also experimenting with a wide range of supplements that may contribute to gastric healing and long-term stomach protection (collagen hydrolysate, vitamin K2, l-glutamine, co-enzyme Q10, zinc carnosine, n-acetyl cysteine, buffered vitamin C, vitamin E, and medicinal mushrooms such as cordyceps and Lion’s Mane).
Fighting Non-Existent H. Pylori
It’s unfortunate that when you search for “gastritis” on the internet, most of the information that is returned concerns research or remedies for fighting H. pylori infection. Yet there are a significant number of gastritis cases in which H. pylori isn’t a causative factor (especially in the United States — infection rates here are low). Worse, many of the natural remedies for reducing H. pylori (including fish oil, turmeric, ginger, black seed, etc.) also inhibit COX and may slow down gastric healing.
There are a huge number of factors that can weaken or irritate the stomach lining, including stress, NSAID use, infection (from h. pylori, viruses, etc.), dysbiosis (the stomach has its own acid resistant microbiota), food intolerances (gluten and dairy, primarily), alcohol abuse, too much coffee, too much spicy or acidic food, smoking, gallbladder problems, iron overload, nutritional deficiencies, and genetic factors. But in most cases, a visit to the doctor’s office will result in recommendation to take proton pump inhibitors, with little discussion of why the stomach might be vulnerable to injury in the first place.
The lack of answers from my doctors, combined with the huge bias of internet information toward dealing with H. pylori infection, pointed me in the wrong direction in terms of healing, and I think many people may be in the same boat.
Healing Protocol for Chemical/Reactive Gastritis?
I’m hesitant to attempt any kind of healing protocol for gastritis, for a number of reasons:
- I’m not fully recovered, and it has taken me a long time to get where I am.
- I’m not a doctor or a naturopath — I don’t have any formal medical training.
- There are so many possible causes of gastritis — some interventions could help some people but hurt others (such as the use of betaine Hcl or d-limonene, which can improve digestion, but can hurt like hell if your stomach lining is damaged).
That said, some common sense measures will probably be helpful for most people, such as eating slowly, chewing well, eating smaller meals, meditating, reducing stress, getting enough sleep, and avoiding irritating foods and beverages (which vary from person to person, but might include alcohol, coffee, spicy food, acidic foods such as citrus and tomatoes, milk products, and/or gluten).
PPIs are prescribed very liberally by most doctors, but in hindsight I wonder if using an H2 blocker such as ranitidine (Zantac) would have been just as effective for my initial recovery (when I was in near-constant pain and couldn’t sleep through the night because of stomach pain). Using omeprazole did provide some relief at first, but long-term PPI use leads to anxiety, nutritional deficiencies, kidney disease, and increases the chance of stomach cancer. In about 50% of people (including myself), stopping PPIs leads to intense rebound symptoms. My GP explicitly and incorrectly told me that tapering off wasn’t necessary, which led to a great deal of pain, and probably a net negative in terms of my healing. Taking PPIs is preferable to dying from a bleeding ulcer, but for non-ulcer gastropathy the risks may outweigh the benefits. This seems especially true considering very few people appear to recover from gastritis after a short course of PPIs (at least that’s my take from reading various forums).
My general approach to healing, until now, has been to reduce alcohol and caffeine, reduce spicy and acidic foods, and to increase various gastroprotective factors via the supplements I mentioned above. For short-term pain relief and acid reduction I’ve primarily used slippery elm mixed with water, herbal teas (fennel seed, chamomile, ginger), and sometimes aloe vera juice or black licorice. Melatonin also has gastroprotective properties, and supplementing in small doses (<1mg) at night may accelerate healing (melatonin has a very similar chemical structure to omeprazole). Some of the herbs I use also suppress COX-2, but they also provide relief by reducing gastric acid (even with natural remedies, there’s always a trade-off).
It’s too early to say if stopping fish oil is going to be a huge help. I’ll report back if I notice significant changes.
Onward
Hopefully I can get to the point where I feel 100% recovered, but even if not, my quality of life is very high right now, and I feel grateful for being in reasonably good health. It’s amazing how chronic pain can readjust your life priorities. In a way it has been a gift. Having been through the wringer, I feel more focussed than ever on friendship, family, contribution, creativity, and my spiritual core.
If you are struggling with similar issues, hopefully this post is helpful. I’m posting it as public for now, but at some point I may put it behind my Patreon wall; I don’t want to be known as “the gastritis guy” any more than I wanted to be known as “the hair regrowth guy” or “the asthma guy.” But I do feel compelled to share what I’ve learned so far.
Feel free to comment or ask questions.
MariaElena
I am an chronic astmatic. Nowdays (I am 73 years old) I must use inhalers twice a day. Recently my doctor adviced me to take tree tomatoes (tomate de arbol in Venezuela). It contains a lot of antioxidants, and he says it has been demostrated to be of great benefit for lungs a to avoid astma.
I have a tree at home, and shall start soon to have it, 2-3 days/week…I shall report!!!!
J.D. Moyer
I hope that helps! It’s also worth getting your vitamin D levels checked, and making sure you get enough dietary omega-3.
Gina
Hello, what an excellent article! I landed here because I had a gastritis attack last night after using 2000mg of omega3 supplement for the first time since my gastritis started. As it happens the same day I had a salad and sardines in olive oil for lunch and couldnât understand why the pain and nausea kicked in the same evening when I didnât have it in the morning. My gastritis was triggered by an hpylori infection which I had treated in early December. I had an endoscopy in January which showed no hpylori left and a mild inflammation. I was put on Rabeprazol once a day which initially seemed to work and I indulged in some homemade chilli and all hell broke loose. I spent this week waking up at 4:30 with nausea and stomach pain and went to my naturopath who recommended I take omega3 for itâs anti inflammatory action. She also put me on a powder shake called GI Fortify which has deglycyrrhizinated licorice root, slippery elm, glutamine, and marshmallow root will work to heal the digestive lining, and most of the herbs are anti-inflammatory as well.
Has anybody tried this GI Fortify.. itâs advertised as a gentle relief for constipation but my naturopath said it is just a marketing thing .. not sure what to think?
J.D. Moyer
Hi Gina. The herbs may help but in the long term what I have found to be most helpful is increasing dietary soluble fiber (which absorbs stomach acid), generally eating a healthful, mostly plant-based diet, and taking a few nutritional supplements (vitamin C, niacin, co-enzyme Q10). Small amounts of melatonin at night may also help (less is more when it comes to dosage, .5mg and under). Give yourself time to heal and hope you feel better.
Gina
Thank you.. I have always had a fairly wholesome diet but with Gastritis I find that I have to exclude things like tomatoes and lemons.. I still cook with onions and garlic in soups and stews and hope thatâs ok. I am also on anxiety medication so with every episode I get there is usually an accompanying anxiety attack and shaking ..etc. I have a BComplex drops that I have stopped using since the gastritis hit I wonder if that will get me the niacin content and with it being sublingual will likely not impact the stomach so much what do you think?
Christina
Hi and thanks for your insights. I have only just realised that fish oil was causing my recent gastritis flare and stopped only yesterday before finding your article. Synchronicity! I am also highly sensitive to many foods, most herbs and supplements. Less is more. I now understand why, having read your article, these anti-inflammatory herbs and molecules have affected me in this way. Thank you. I did find that caprylic acid was the best most stabilising thing I’ve ever tried, the oil form not the powder, but then it gave me severe constipation and I had to stop. I’ve found nothing else to match it’s wonderful rejects in my gut lining. Perhaps coconut oil or caprylluc acid if worth a shot of you haven’t tried it? Not everyone gets my reaction to it. All the best đ
Roland Ramirez
Hello, I wonder how you are doing now. I’ve been diagnosed with the same exact condition and I haven’t found many forums about it. I’m glad to have read your post. I must say it’s been a very slow process of trial and error. I’ve lost a ton of weight as well. Please reach out to me if you have any chance. I would love to hear more about your recovery process. What worked or didn’t work. Thank you so much.
J.D. Moyer
Hi Roland — I’m doing really well and consider myself recovered, but it took a few years. I intend to write a detailed follow-up post, but I think the most effective approaches have been:
1) to push my immune system towards a less reactive state (IL10 vs IL6) balance
2) to improve my sleep quality (mostly by adding more collagen to my diet) and address chronic stress issue
3) to improve my digestion and increase my stomach secretions (not only acid and pepsin but also mucin and other protective factors) by gradually introducing more and more spicy foods.
Acid reducing and stomach coating agents can help in the short-term, but for chronic non-erosive gastritis the stomach needs to ultimately shift out its inflammatory state. The above approach is what has worked for me. Hope you feel better soon!
Roland Ramirez
Thank you for such a prompt reply. I look at different forums and yes for some people it took a long time to recover. I’ve been suffering from this since July and needless to say it affected and continues to affect my quality of life. I’m glad you’ve recovered after many years. I hope I could be where you are someday if not sooner. I will consider following some of the steps you took and hopefully it helps me as well although I’m aware it varies with every person. Like you said, one just needs to go by how their body reacts. It’s been a very slow and difficult path but I’m hoping like you I will be able to recover. Looking forward to your update.
Helen Russell
I’ve just read this after I googled omega 3 and gastritis. I am similar to you. I’m asthmatic but also thyroid problems. I started upping vitamins because my adrenals were not functioning properly due to stress plus copious amounts of PPIs. I’ve been struggling for four months of awful pain. My endoscopy showed a lot of inflammation and also oesophagitis so double whammy. Ive cut out gluten and only eat fresh food with fish, chicken etc. I introduced Omega 3 supplements about 4 days ago and the pains in my stomach and back were worse and I couldn’t understand why. I also took slippery elm, vit D , vit B12 etc etc. Well, Im going to bin my omega 3 now. I shall still take B12 and Vit D3 but in smaller doses. I’m so grateful I found your post. Also I didn’t have HPylori but they treated me with triple therapy antibiotics and PPIS just for the sake of it. I have had severe anxiety ever since and my cortisol levels went haywire. Still trying to reduce those but that’s another story.
Thankyou for such a great article. All the best in your healing and health.
J.D. Moyer
Hi Helen, hope you have a fast and full recovery. Any supplements that have either a blood thinning or anti-inflammatory effect might slow down your gastric healing (and of course NSAIDs and aspirin). Psyllium husk, vitamin C (with food), co-enzyme Q10, fennel seed, and black licorice can all help protect the stomach (but don’t take black licorice if you have high blood pressure). Spicy food, collagen, and niacin can increase gastric secretions (both stomach acid and protective factors) when you are feeling a little better, to improve digestion.
sageheartnutrition
very interesting post. i am a practicing nutritionist and functional medicine student and the points you raised are ones i hadnt thought of before , so thanks for bringing those up . for me, ultimately, seems we go back to the basics : listen to what your particular body needs and everything in balance….
J.D. Moyer
Agreed, and glad you found the post helpful.
Joseph F
Hi first i have to say after reading so many health forums etc, with all rhe conflicting and often ideological wars… this post was fresh air in terms of new info and well written thanks
I want to ask if its right to conclude that NSAID are as good as natural supplements as the rap in nsaid is stomach lining issues, but it seems like the dose is the problem with both as u chronicle ur journey with fish oil… do nsaid have other toxic side effects?
J.D. Moyer
It depends on dosage and general health, but NSAIDs can be very hard on the liver, and there are links between acetaminophen use and asthma, especially in children.
kevin
Most of the time pain is from low stomach acid and not high stomach acid.H pylori is know to suppress stomach acid which induces gastritis. I believe you have the wrong approach for solving your problem.Please do your research on achlorydria. Dr Jonathan M wright has written a lot about it
J.D. Moyer
Hi Kevin,
I’ve read a great deal on the subject, and I’ve concluded that in many cases h. pylori is a red herring in regards to gastritis (it’s more associated with PUD). I tested negative (via blood test) for h. pylori, as do many gastritis sufferers. Those who do have h. pylori and manage to eradicate often have continued symptoms.
I do agree that adequate stomach acid is important and that’s why I got off PPIs as soon as possible. Some people do have low or weak (higher Ph) stomach acid, and in that case taking apple cider vinegar, digestive enzymes, or betaine HCl with meals can improve digestion and reduce symptoms.
Kate
Kevin, it’s rather presumptuous of you telling people if they’re wrong about the issues they have and know a way more about than random authorities. I guess the H.Pylori problem is way too overrated by GIs just like Omega-3 over Omega-6.
H.Pylori is usually obtained by people in early childhood and in this case is non-aggressive and even has protective properties.against GERD and IBD. People can develop gastritis even while having H.Pylori in their system with it not being the cause. Upper Endoscopy procedure can reveal the amount of H.Pylori units present in stomach and if it’s not significant, then it comes clear the bacteria isn’t the culprit. In this case antibiotic treatment shouldn’t be prescribed, because it would cause even more unnecessary harm to the body, like gut flora disruption and C.Diff infection, without really helping with stomach inflammation. I used to have H.Pylori myself (maybe all my life) in a very small amount and tested positively during a routine Endoscopy. When I started treating gastritis with things like Mastic Gum I eventually killed it (tested negatively) but my gastritis didn’t improve a tad, so,please, don’t be so tunnel-visioned, there’s more to the gastric inflammation than H.Pylori and gastritis isn’t the same as GERD. We’re talking about Reactive Gastritis here, which is caused by weakening of stomach lining and it being constantly irritated by stomach acid. Stomach acid levels in this case are NORMAL, not high and not too low. It’s about stomach mucosa damage and therefore it’s vulnerability to irritants, not acid levels.
J.D, you actually opened my eyes with this post, I can’t express how much I appreciate this. Couple years ago I started trying to eat healthy, went vegan and cut out any oil from my diet except for Extra Virgin Olive Oil (which has properties of suppressing eicosanoids production similar to Fish Oil). I also stopped eating any animal products, so I became very depleted of both LA and ARA. Plus, as any “trying to be healthy” person I was consuming lots of antioxidants and anti-inflammatory foods. In less than a year of this lifestyle I developed chronic gastritis.
Now, after seeing your post and doing an immense amount of research myself I just started to realize what must have been the problem, and now I’m trying to reverse it by starting to increase LA oils and animal products consumption. I also pared down my supplementation with anything that might be in a way of COX enzymes. I’ve just started doing it (like a week ago), but in combination with low dose Omeprazole, I already see some improvement. Well, of course the damage done in a few years can’t be reversed in just a couple weeks, but I’m sure I’m, finally, on the right path.
J.D. Moyer
Hi Kate,
I’m glad you found the post to be helpful, and I hope you have a fast and full recovery!
-JD
Christina
This is a breakthrough article and thank you for your insights. I have severe reactive gastritis. They didn’t go into details but said that my lactose tolerance was practically non existent – except that I’ve been dairy free for at least 5 years and my sensitivity to other foods and substances is just the same. I suspect that I have some autoimmune sensitivity connected with my mucous membranes Eg. I only have to put dome tomato in my mouth and I get a blood blister within minutes. It started suddenly after I was exposed to some chemical being offloaded on a dock on a windy couple of days and I was staying right there. It was probably wheat (mold) or a pesticide, from what I was told, and my reaction was severe hayfever, and hair fall!!! Gut issues are not my primary issue ONLY because I’m so careful these days. Since that day the hair fall is a reaction to what I eat. Anything fermented, or most probiotics (and I’m too scared to try them all) will set off a chain reaction that will make my hair fall. But that’s not all – there are a variety of foods, carob, prunes, tea (all have high levels of ECGC), vanilla essence, even alkalised water (!) and bam! Of course there is also anything too harsh such as spicy food, and especially deep fried foods, or anything with strong enzymes like raw cabbage. Needless to say I avoid all of these things, and many more. Some gut protective herbs such as marshmallow and aloe, turmeric, black seed for example also have the same effect. Anything that affects my mucous membranes, even homeopathics!! will affect my hair. So my issue is, how do you treat autoimmune mucous membrane reaction without supplements?
So I’ve been on a very limited diet, and very disciplined about it, and I still have hair! Recently I tried going off GLA which I’ve taken for close to five year and my symptoms worsened, so I feel there is something important here in your article. LA heals, and my immune system likes it. I had not been able to tolerate fish oil or vitamin D or in fact most artificial vitamins or concentrated supplements, so that was not my issue. However I started taking cod liver oil for the D and the A only 3 months ago and I have found it to help without any negative reaction. It had a very different affect than fish oil, which used to give me insomnia (and also jump started my bowels which isn’t such a bad thing for me). Cod liver oil is good for me, as long as I keep taking the GLA. Moderation is certainly the answer with the gut protective herbs, but the COX lowering effect is something really worth investigating. I’m learning that COX is not a dirty word after all đ
I am still experimenting and will try the collagen again (which didn’t agree with me, unlike home cooked stock). I have found that cooked cabbage with olive oil is brilliant however. I don’t know how much Vitamin U is left in it cooked but I cannot tolerate raw. Cabbage also has K2. There is also an Ayuvedic herb Shatavari which is specifically mucous protective and agrees with me. It is mainly a women’s herb but I have read that men use it too. It has COX inhibiting properties but it is probably one of those trade offs you mentioned. Thanks again đ
Miriam
Thank you for this very informative article. I would like to ask Christina please, what foods and supplements can you have? Your condition sounds very complicated but what you mention resonates with me in many ways, Can you have linseed oil for instance? I have been trying to heal my gut and resolve my health issues for ages but with little luck so far. I am a coeliac on a strict gluten free diet but that doesn’t seem to be enough. Many thanks.
Tano
Great article, I struggle with gastritis for several years (comes and goes) but this time it’s 3 months already and I found the problem…it’s the omega 3 supplements which help a lot for my dry eye. I stopped them but the eyes hurt a lot since…what it’s more intense, the eyes or the stomach pain?:) tough call
J.D. Moyer
You might try sea buckthorn oil, which helps dry eyes and also has gastroprotective qualities: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21832964
Jubyloo
Thanks for this. I feel my what I have are similar to yours. I tested negative for h.pylori. Im off the prescribed drugs bc of long-term effects and try to avoid triggers. I feel Dr.s are not very knowledgeable on actually healing ulcers. And I agree thereâs a lot of conflicting information online. Like Aloe Vera being good but it caused me pain. I was taking fish oil but stopped. Raw cabbage juice did nothing prob bc its not h.pylori. I too was taking natural supplements heavily before my suspected ulcer issues began. Something that may help with stomach lining is bone broth. DGL licorice tablets before meals. Will get back on cOq10. Vitamin C. Try to stay away from known triggers for now. My stomach is really sensitive to fruits. Hoping to recover one day. Its been many months.
Sonya Clark
Hello, I enjoyed reading your experience, I too am suffering with gastritis and have had ulcers since March 2020. I am on PPI and am trying to wean myself off of them because they cause more pain than the ulcer and Gastritis does. I was drawn to your article because of the topic on Cod liver and how it affected your gastritis. I was interested in taking Cod liver oil with the idea that it would help me you saved me from wasting my money and more gastric pain. Thank you. experience .
Anonymous
Any new updates from your experiments (collagen, zinc, etc) over the past year?
J.D. Moyer
After almost four years I feel as if my chronic gastritis has pretty much resolved/healed. Once in awhile I get some gastric heat if I go too long without eating or don’t sleep well for a few nights in a row. But mostly I’m better. I wish I could say why exactly, but I don’t know. Possibly reduced stress — I tend to take life at a slower pace these days. Supplements I take regularly include vitamin C 1000mg, niacin 100mg, pterostilbene 50mg, fish oil 2g, vitamin D 2000IU, vitamin K2, zinc 15mg, magnesium 100mg (a few times a week, nothing every day). I try to get most of my nutrition from food. I also eat disease-preventing foods such as turmeric, ginger, and matcha every day. If I do feel acidity coming on then I chew some fennel seeds and that helps.
One thing that may have gotten me from 80% healed to 99% healed is including more spicy foods, gradually building up my tolerance to having habanero sauce daily with meals. Hot peppers do increase acid secretion but they also increase mucus secretion and other protective factors. Fresh ginger reduces acid, protects against many cancers, and speeds up gastric emptying. Vitamin C is gastroprotective (and while some antioxidants increase cancer risk, vitamin C protects against stomach cancer). Niacin offers protection against upper GI cancers. I feel that increasing my vitamin C and niacin intake helped.
Collagen, fish oil, and many other supplements I would put in the neutral category for gastritis, though collagen helped me with insomnia, and fish oil helps maintain mood and prevent depression.
esalwin
Thank you for the latest!! I’ll check out the niacin, zinc, spicy foods, and your other current go-tos. Interesting that collagen was less impactful for gastritis.
DL
Iâm suffering also from chronic gastritis h pylori negative as well. Endoscopy showed the chronic gastritis in biospsy. Been gluten free, dairy free, sugar free, low fodmap, currently one week 3.5 of ppi and also tried slippery elm, DGL, Aloe, a bunch of vitamins, multiple supplements, no relief yet. Can be good for a week, and into a flare up for two months, any tips? Does it ever end!
J.D. Moyer
Hang in there and keep experimenting. Yes, it does get better. Please see my comments above for additional things to try. Improving and increasing sleep is important, as is modulating your immune system to be less reactive, as is increasing your stomach secretions over time so that your gastric digestion is faster and more efficient and easier on your stomach.
Ginn
AMAZING read!! This has been a huge help in my 10 week journey of pain. I have passed all tests for gallbladder and my scope shows gastropathy with minimal chronic inflammation. How could this be?? This much pain and that is all that is found?? I felt like I was crying wolf.. Thank you so much for this read!! I am not alone and now I have some idea of where to begin.
Ami
I have been taking enteric coated fish oils for autoimmune problems which have helped tremendously with joint/bone pain however after process of elimination I realize they are making me severely constipated. Did you experience this as well? Most research states they should help with elimination but clearly that is not the case for me.
J.D. Moyer
I didn’t have that issue, but you might try increasing soluble fiber via ground flaxseed or psyllium. Should increase regularity, and there are many health benefits to the short-chain fatty acids such as butyrate that occur with the digestion of soluble fiber.
Karen serbian
I am currently Suffering long term affects from unknowingly having H. pylori for so many years. It was not until I had three massive ulcers that I realized there was a problem. The H. pylori has been eradicated, but Iâm suffering from all types of Gastric issues. I had been using fish oil a few months ago thinking that that would perhaps help with the inflammation of the stomach lining. I felt like I was getting worse and after a few weeks I did stop taking it. I really appreciate you sharing your story with us.
waseem
well a great article.. i was diagnosed as ibs patient 2006 with severe abd pain.. ibs got aggravated by anxiety.. it came and went for a few years until 2019 when i was unable to digest anything other than boiled rice and yogurt.. endoscopy came up with chronic inflammation in stomach and duodenum.. doctors just did not care about this indication and instead focused on ibs management.. at that time a started taking medicine from a herbalist along with strict fodmap diet.. things started improving and now i can eat all kind of carbs in moderate amount.. i can take wheat, milk too .. i’m on oil free diet..
i have allergy and mild asthma too and i’m thinking to start omega 3 supplements but i experience stomach irritation / burning if i cook food in oil or eat sour or spicy foods that indicates my gastritis and duodenitis is very much around.. it is very hard to balance lung inflammation and stomach inflammation..
whats your advice..
J.D. Moyer
Hi Waseem, glad you’re on the path to recovery! You might find my latest post on this topic helpful. https://www.jdmoyer.com/2021/06/06/gastritis-healing-protocol/
Anonymous
Hi. I am 80 years old from Denmark. I have had similar experience as yours. For 13 months I have been treating my PMR Polymyalgia Rheumatica with Codliver oil 15 ml / 30ug Vitamin D a day. Its along story, it has been a succes for the PMR but I ended up in ER after a syncope with a fall and with loosing 1/2 a litre of blood from vomiting. THe gastropy showed a small gastric ulcer. I diagnosed the syncope as postural hypotension which my doc confirmed with the standard test.
Hans Nyberg
Hi L.D.
I am an 80 years old. guy from Denmark.
I have had a very similar experience like you.
And came to the same comclusion on Omega 3.â¨â¨ IT started actually 37 years ago when I discovered the effects of Codliveroil on my shoulder pain which I now believe as my first attack of PMR-Polymyalgia Rheumatica. An autoimmune desease with genetic predisponisions.
My older brother got diagnosed after 3 years and was treated with steroids.
With fatal adverse effects.
I discovered after research the Codliveroil and got my symptoms removed after 2 months.
35 year later in oct 2020 i woke up with extreme pain in my left arm shoulder.
Triggered by a simple injury in my left hand it continued with pain in neck and right shoulder, arm and in the hips.
I also developed carpal tunnel which is a common effect in PMR.
I started with Codliver oil including 30ug VitaminD 15ml a day. Took me 4 months to get the
Muscle pains under control. However I contiued to take it also because of Corona were it has proven to be very effective as a protecting teraphy. Christmas eve 2021 I got stomach pain which I thought might be a virus ev. the Corona.
Corona was negative however and the stomach pain stopped with a couple of paracetamol.
I had been using some Kodi-aspirin tablet during the year before but it was only in average 1 single 500mg a week. From Nov4 until dec 23 I had used 8x500mg tablets some of the asthe recommended 2 tablets at once.
A month later jan 23 I got a syncope early in the morning. I woke uo in a blood pool looking into the mirror and saw what looked like a zoombie. I may have thrown up almost 1/2 litre of blood.
Ambulance to the ER were they just found that I had a slight Anemia at 6.9 gr probably caused by the loss of blood.
A week later I got a gastrocopy that showed a small gastrig ulcer of 10mm.
The doctors of cuse claim that it is the aspirin I had been taking but I do not believe it as there was only very few during the 2 months before.
I found out that the syncope was because of Postural Hypotension and I got it confirmed by my doc with the standard test for it.
My further research ended with the same conclusion as yours about he omega 3 on cox-1 and 2.
However I also found out that the Postural Hypotension probably was caused by a combination of Omega 3 and Vitamin B3.
My reserch found evidence that vitamin B3 can cause Postural Hypotension and in addition it is also contraindicated for peptic ulcers.
I had during a couple of months taking a Mega B vitamin from Solary containing 400mg vitamin B which is 2500% IU.
Omega3 is actually also reducing bloodpressure and blood pressure reducing medicins are the main cause of drug induced Postural Hypotension.
When I discovered this I stopped both the codliveroil and the Mega B tablets.
Its now 3 weeks gone and I have tested myself with my own blood pressure meter.
I have not been able to get any sign of the Postural Hypotension.
I am quite astonished that the worlds total scientific community has not found the connection to Omega 3 and gastric ulcers. Actually some articles claim that it is protective as it is antibacterial and reduce the Helicobacter pylori.
I done some more research.
I found that the areas with the highest prevelance of Peptic Ulcers are Greenland and the inuits who consume very large amounts of Omega 3.
And another Omega 3 population seems to be the Japanese .
âJapanese people eat about 3 ounces of fish daily, on average, while typical Americans eat fish perhaps twice a week. Nutritional studies show that the intake of omega-3 fatty acids from fish averages 1.3 grams per day in Japan, as compared to 0.2 grams per day in the United States.â
Japan is one of the countries with the highest prevalence of gastric ulcers.
However investigatons are claiming that reduced peptic ulcers in both populations is because they have reduced the infections of the Helicobacter pylori. during the last 20 years.
But at the same time they reduced fish in foods with 30%
Anther country which is at the real top for peptic ulcers is Kiribati. A group of Islands in the pacific.
Dietary Pattern Kiribati main protein source is fish and has a consumption of 75-205kg per capita – one of the highest in the world.
The global burden of peptic ulcer disease in 204 countries and territories from 1990 to 2019
The highest age-standardized prevalence rate was found in Kiribati Â
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/358513641_The_global_regional_and_national_burden_of_peptic_ulcer_disease_from_1990_to_2019_a_population-based_study
Well. How can you convince University educated doctors.
I am not sure but I will give it a try.
Anonymous
The weird thing is that there are only 2 real scientific investigations on Cod liver oil and Gastric Ulcers. An Indian ivestigation from 2008 claims: The results of the present investigation suggest that consumption of CLO is beneficial for patients suffering from peptic ulcer disease. Cod liver oil may produce both gastric antisecretory and gastric cytoprotective effect, resulting in increased healing of gastric and duodenal ulcers.
J.D. Moyer
It’s tricky because “anti-secretory” can apply to both erosive factors like acid and pepsin, and protective factors like mucin. Also, reducing stomach secretions might or might not correspond with healing…ideally the stomach becomes very acidic but digestion happens quickly, then the stomach becomes more alkaline. In practice I do take small amounts of fish oil, and also limit total COX-2 inhibitors including herbals.
Hans Nyberg
Even if Omega 3 and Cod Liver oil has been investigated for 150 years there are only 2 investigations on the effect of Cod Liver Oil and Gastric Ulcers,
Both are investigations on rats.
One from India claims;
“Both doses of cod liver oil showed gastric ulcer healing effect in acetic acid induced chronic gastric ulcers, produced gastric antisecretory effect in pylorus-ligated rats and also showed gastric cytoprotective effect in ethanol-induced and indomethacin-induced ulcer. Cod liver oil also produced a significant reduction in the development of stress induced gastric ulcers and cysteamine induced duodenal ulcer. The high dose of cod liver oil (1 g/kg, p.o.) was more effective compared to the low dose (0.5 g/kg, p.o.).”
However the time used for the experiment was just 10 days and it actually only showed the effect on gastric ulcers induced in the rats by different methods.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2792623/
The second investigation is from Iceland and is from 2000.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10901420/
It used 10% cod liver oil ad in the food and the experiment was for 8 months which corresponds much more to my own and to J.D Meyers experience.
The result was.:
Dietary cod liver oil decreases arachidonic acid in rat gastric mucosa and increases stress-induced gastric erosions
The 20:4n-6 levels of both PC and PE were markedly reduced by dietary cod liver oil, to about one-third of control levels. Similar changes were also observed in the stomach wall. Gastric erosions were observed in all rats exposed to restriction stress, but this form of stress induced twice the number of erosions in rats fed fish oil compared to control rats or rats fed corn oil. We conclude that a diet rich in fish oil altered the balance between n-6 and n-3 fatty acids in major gastric mucosal phospholipids, markedly reduced the availability of 20:4n-6, and increased the incidence of gastric erosions induced by restriction or emotional stress.
Lucie
Hello! I had an awful case of acute gastritis around eighteen months ago, where I could barely eat for three weeks. It was triggered by NSAID overuse from bad advice from my doctor. Nowadays, I am mostly symptom free as long as I avoid garlic, onion, or dairy. The first two land me in the ED on a PPI drip as the only way to stop vomiting and the dairy just gives unpleasant symptoms I can manage at home. I donât take NSAID medication anymore.
I found your blog googling fish oil as a possible alternative anti inflammatory as I have fibromyalgia, among other chronic conditions. I was recently put on three days of high dose steroids for an intractable migraine and I have never felt so good in years. But, of course, by day two I had a sore throat, and day three full on reflux. I only found out afterwards itâs the same risk to our guts. I couldnât have kept going even if Iâd wanted to. Is there any natural alternative we can take for inflammation thatâs safe?
J.D. Moyer
Hi Lucie, that’s a great question. Please keep in mind that I’m not a doctor, but for me the key has been preventing or reducing inflammation before it occurs by modulating my immune system to be less sensitive and reactive. Here’s a good article on that topic: https://selfhack.com/blog/il-10/
In short: sun, exercise, meditation, some breathing exercises, garlic, spicy food, soluble fiber all boost IL-10 and can make our immune systems less reactive and inflammatory (at the cost of potentially reduced viral and bacterial immunity).
Yve Bella
Great article, thank you for saving my money and also pain by trying fish oil as an daily booster.. my gastritis was caused 3 years ago by H.Pylori but after treating it there it was gone for 2 years. Taking pain killers, loving wine and cigarettes at times might have caused it to come back, now i am 4 monats in it and on PPIs some days i be feeling great no pain and others just very uncomfortable. My diet isnât the best but iâve been trying to improve every day. i wanna come off these pills as i got the feeling nothing is gonna change. i was thinking about an aloe vera dring, some extra vitamins and fish oil which i now know, i wonât do. my question is would flaxseed oil cause the same problems? maybe u have another suggestions for me .. iâm sleeping good and my stresslevel is not too high . kind regards and thx for this !
J.D. Moyer
Hi Yve, glad you are sleeping well and that the stress is under control, sounds like you are taking good steps toward a full recovery. From my own experience, I feel like I did not taper off slowly enough when I was getting off the PPIs. If you do experience any discomfort when reducing PPIs, psyllium husk with water can help protect the stomach and is good for beneficial gut bacteria.
pj
so you did not notice any gastritis/digestion improvement after stopping the fish oil supplement?
ive had issues with low blood pressure and gastritis and am wondering if fish oil (1000mg of omega 3/day) could be contributing to both…
Anonymous
so you did not notice any gastritis/digestion improvement after stopping the fish oil supplement?
ive had issues with low blood pressure and gastritis and am wondering if fish oil (1000mg of omega 3/day) could be contributing to both…
J.D. Moyer
What I’ve noticed is that if I consume a high total amount of natural anti-inflammatory foods and supplements (fish oil, turmeric, ginger, etc.) it can cause a gastritis flare (that resolves quickly if I reduce anti-inflammatories/COX inhibitors). For me, up to 2g/day of fish oil is safe and probably does more good than harm, but everyone is different.
Jacob Leggett
I wonder if other fats are being limited if the stomach can handle consistent fish oil. Sometimes I take fish oil and it literally feels like I used my inhaler. It makes me want to take as much as can be handled on a daily basis. Glad a read this to keep me from getting too crazy with it. Would love to get it dialed in.
My asthma is still pretty chronic and I usually test at 68% FEV1. I’ve tried a ton of random stuff and hope something sticks. I’m in solid health other than asthma. 29 and very active and pulse ox is always good. If I can open up my lungs a bit on a consistent basis it’d be a game changer… I stay away from meds too because I’ve experienced nasty side effects. Decreased lung function and fluid, sleep walking, fatigue, etc.
J.D. Moyer
Hi Jacob. Don’t know if you read my other posts on asthma, but getting my vitamin D and omega-3 levels was a huge help for me, as well as avoiding gluten and reducing leaky gut. For short term relief, bromelain has been very helpful for minor flares. I also take magnesium daily which helps relax smooth muscle in the lungs and elsewhere.
Olliesaunt
This is SUCH a helpful article.
PLM
Hi JD-Do you think supplemental L-glutamine would help speed healing of stomach lining?
J.D. Moyer
It does appear to help for many people, especially protecting against ulcers.